Talk:WikiTI Home

Discussion

What do you think about this wiki?

More!

I think it needs information on more calculators than just the Ti-83+ series, and general assembly information (like a good cathegorized tutorial overview for instance) wouldn't hurt either, I think :)

Timendus

I hope we can do that soon

Just, we don't want to waste time getting it all set up for that and have no one use it. If we see a lot of people milling around here, contributing, then by all means, we'll expand. But one thing we DON'T want to do is mirror 28 Days. We can link TO it, but we don't want it actually here.

--AndyJ 06:50, 27 Mar 2005 (PST)

Categories

On many pages, there is now a sizable blank space at the top due to several lines of category links. What, if anything, should we do about this? FloppusMaximus 19:06, 29 Mar 2005 (PST)

Move them?

Move the Category links to the bottom should do it. :) That, or put them all on one line.

--AndyJ 19:07, 29 Mar 2005 (PST)

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. :) FloppusMaximus 20:18, 29 Mar 2005 (PST)

I think I officially qualify as a robot now. You can tell I was getting tired towards the end, as I missed the minor-edit button a few times... sorry about that... FloppusMaximus 21:28, 29 Mar 2005 (PST)

Actually, I was going to just mod the php code to fix this bug....keeping the category tags on the top might be a good idea actually. (JasonM)

That might still be a good idea. FloppusMaximus 13:18, 3 Apr 2005 (PDT)

Caching

Is it just me, or are there some serious caching problems here? FloppusMaximus 21:32, 1 Apr 2005 (PST)

In particular? --Dan Englender 21:42, 1 Apr 2005 (PST)

Ya, the wiki seems to have weird caching problems, especially since it appears the reload the page every time, even if it doesn't get changes. I don't know what's up. --AndyJ 22:35, 1 Apr 2005 (PST)

Considering the dynamic nature of a wiki (a page could be edited, at pretty much any time), I wouldn't mind not having it cached. (Though I would personally disable browser caching altogether if firefox would let me... :P ) --Aquanight 22:44, 1 Apr 2005 (PST)

Er... I think I see what you mean... stuff is getting cached when it shouldn't be. (I could've sworn I told firefox to only use 0 KB (aka none) for cache and it's still caching ... argh.) --Aquanight 22:46, 1 Apr 2005 (PST)

I've disabled caching myself as well. Perhaps we should just disable caching altogether? (JasonM)

Caching has been disabled. (JasonM)

I found a "Disable Caching" option in Misc. Preferences, if that helps. Gambit 00:28, 2 Apr 2005 (PST)

On Other Calculators

Just a random idea I had -- a lot of the ROM calls, RAM addresses, and ports are very similar, if not identical, between the 83 and 83+, and more generally, between all of the Z80 calculators. For some of them -- 83Plus:RAM:86D8 and 83:RAM:8253, for instance -- it may be possible to combine the two into a single page, though I'm not sure that would be a good idea, given the potential for confusion. So here's what I propose instead:

• For simple things like penRow, we can just have two copies of the page, as there isn't very much to keep synchronized.
• For more detailed pages such as GetKey, have a brief description with a link -- "This routine waits for the user to press a key and returns it. It is equivalent to GetKey on the TI-83 Plus." -- on one page, and the more detailed description on the other. Not a redirect in this case; I'm talking about a distinct page, which would point out the different call points and RAM addresses; in the case of GetKey, for instance, the address of keyExtend is different and should be noted.
• In either case, on both pages, add a new section "On Other Calculators" near the bottom, with appropriate links. This section serves two purposes: First, it's simply useful information to have available, both for people trying to write cross-platform code, and for those of us who are interested in researching the OS. Secondly, it would serve as a reminder to editors that there are multiple pages that may need to be updated.
• It's also important to maintain the distinction between routines/variables/ports that are identical as opposed to those which merely have related functions. For example, the widely used GetK routine on the 83 isn't known -- to my knowledge -- on the 73, but GetCSC serves as an adequate substitute in many situations. This is something that belongs in "See Also," not in this section.
• Some templates might be in order here.

FloppusMaximus 18:41, 24 May 2005 (PDT)

It's not a bad idea. The only problem is that it makes a lot more work for people who just want to make a simple addition to the wiki. There's already a fairly high initial barrier (figuring out the templates and categories) to overcome for someone who wants to stroll along and add something to the wiki. For you and I it wouldn't be a big deal, but I'm worried it's going to dissuade a random person who floats by from adding ErrMemory to 83 Plus, because then 83 (and 86 or 73, if someone decides to start them) will have to be added/changed as well. --Dan Englender 10:01, 25 May 2005 (PDT)

It might also be cool to hack up the interlanguage features so we can have the nifty language link-box similar to what exists on wikipedia. --Dan Englender 12:57, 27 March 2006 (PST)

Wanted Pages

I decided it was too minor to post as news on the main page, but I modified the Wanted Pages page so that the threshold is 1 link instead of 2 links. A *lot* more wanted pages show up now, though there is some junk in the list now too (like fake links from templates). I figure wanted pages are as good a place as any to start adding, so I'm going to try to make a dent in the list. Anyone who would like to help is welcome to do so :) --Dan Englender 10:06, 25 May 2005 (PDT)

Not "hardware" specific documents

I was so free to edit the artilce over Emulator(s). I also created an article regarding PindurTI.

As I already stated on the MaxCoderz board (http://joepnet.com/hosted/maxcoderz/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1521), I think WikiTI has a lot of potential to collect information about the TI community aswell. Thinks like PindurTI, GrayScale and maybe even information about all the Zelda attempts. In my opinion, people can benefit from that information. --Vincent Junemann 15:00, 21 February 2006 (CET)

Hehe... Zelda attempts? We really do need a page for that ;) TD-Linux 09:24, 19 October 2006 (PDT)

Required logon

If the spam is being done by bots, perhaps instead of requiring a log-on, we can require either a log-on or a captcha? I realize there's additional coding involved, but we've had a fair number of useful contributions by non-logged in contributors, and it would be a shame to scare them off by prospects of account creation or the fact that we can track their activities, or what have you. --Dan Englender 13:55, 23 Feb 2006 (PST)

Agreed, if we can either find a mod for that or code one ourselves. Of course, maybe even a simple "check this box" thing would work if the bots are programmed just to hit mediawiki and not check for stuff... And if a botrunner ever finds it and fixes their bots, we can either just change it or go to a captcha... However, I think most of the legit anon edits were by people who have an account but just didn't notice they weren't logged in at the time. Andy Janata 18:40, 23 Feb 2006 (PST)

Wiki update

Whats this undefined link I see on a lot of the pages?--Jim e 06:07, 14 March 2006 (PST)

Example? --Dan Englender 06:12, 14 March 2006 (PST)

This page has it right under the contents.--Jim e 06:18, 14 March 2006 (PST)

I'm not seeing it. Screen grab? (Also, try clearing your browser's cache in case something's not playing nice between this and the old wiki) --Dan Englender 06:21, 14 March 2006 (PST)

....It's gone now. I guess it was a fluke, but I did get an image before it disappeared, just to prove i'm not crazy. Pic

I removed the link to that pic since your domain expired and it was snagged by nice search spammy people. Andy Janata 12:11, 21 July 2007 (PDT)

Motivation Idea

Here's an idea that might spark more interest in WikiTI...

Usually, this stuff occurs on the subconscious level, but what if it was brought out from these depths? We have this inquisitive.. knowledge.. accumulate thing... and so what if there was a page (or maybe a set of them) that had a list of questions about the unknowns of the TI-OS? This idea came from this quote:

In mathematics the art of asking questions is more valuable than solving problems. ~ Georg Cantor

All questions would be welcome (not sure about programming help oriented ones though), but maybe not all questions would be answerable, and maybe some questions would be better off not being answered. Other users will fill in the blanks and try to answer the question (because of generosity/competition/whatever). Concurrently, some users might think that some Q&A sections fit well together and then they will merge these into a wiki page. It might also be possible for someone to write a wiki page as an answer to a question!

The point of such a page as this is to 'encourage hacking' in its traditional sense, as it were. As a side effect, it might possibly help us all (new and old alike) with our hesitancy in editing a page. Furthermore, I think that this idea will only work if there is a continual asking of questions; otherwise, it will lag and eventually fail. Hence, the Be Bold slogan of Wikipedia.

For example: What are the specific differences between GarbageCollect-ing and "Defragmenting..."?

Brandonw and I talked about this on IRC:

<BrandonW> It's a good idea, but I'm not so sure about it working on WikiTI.
<BrandonW> Maybe the question is elsewhere and the answer can be posted on WikiTI.
<BrandonW> The answer to every question can be a WikiTI link.
<BrandonW> That makes WikiTI bigger with more information and people get their questions answered.
<Gambit_> hmm, asked where?  Is there a central location somewhere where these would be asked?
<Gambit_> WikiTI subforum in DS, perhaps?
<BrandonW> It could be hosted anywhere...someplace new.
<Gambit_> hm
<BrandonW> Perhaps.

Good or bad? Thoughts? --Gambit 23:55, 10 February 2007 (PST)

It's a good idea, but I'd rather see a broader page about general requests/wanted pages for the wiki, not just TI-OS related ones. Guillaumeh 03:55, 18 February 2007 (PST)

WikiTI Favicon

I was going through WikiTI when I noticed that it lacked a favicon. I don't know what you guys think about favicons, but I think they are an important part of a website's identity. With that thought in mind, I created a favicon for WikiTI. I placed the favicon on a sample page available on my site so you guys can see it. I wanted to hear what you guys thought of it, if you had any improvements, and if you would use it. Thanks. --Burr 12:17, 17 February 2007 (PST)

Searching

Why doesn't searching work well. If I type "scf" I would expect to get the z80 opcode reference. Or "LCD" brings up nothing pertaining to the LCD. Is it just me or is searching broken somewhat?--Jim e 20:50, 21 September 2007 (PDT)

brobaly because the minimum amount of letters is 4 Darkstone knight 09:12, 6 November 2008 (PST)

the ban fest

can begin --Darkstone knight 15:27, 19 December 2008 (PST)

New Ideas

• an external forum to support WikiTI (?)
• a group to users who already contributed (distinguish people from bots)
• exist any way to filter users with keywords to get bots (example of keywords: buy, gold, mp3, download, etc..)

(me and Dr. D'nar are discussing here

• is there a way to delete several topics with filters? Example: http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=Special:LonelyPages this pages catches many spam
• In contributing page suggest a brief to do list. Add a link to the wanted pages and add a link to recent talk/changes. Add a link to this nifty tutorial: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_tutorial or other one)

(I already suggested on http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=Talk:Contributing) (also do the what denglend say there)

• http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=Talk:Calculator_Documentation (last entry)

That is all for now. :) Galandros 20:14, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

• Add pages for programming in z80. Calculator Documentation doesn't sound good with this though
  • Templates for making programs and applications with spasm
  • assembly IDEs
  • safe rams (I already have a nice document on this one, redirecting to wikiTI pages)

Galandros 20:42, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Non-sensical pages?

Why do a bunch of non-sensical pages appear at the end of the list of all pages, even though they are empty? (like 中国女子沙滩排球锁定奥运会银牌)

Some sort of spam attack?

http://wikiti.brandonw.net/index.php?title=Special:AllPages/Z80_Routines:Graphic:largesprite

Seren 01:48, 15 December 2009 (UTC)